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An English article on these issues. Today from Spiegel Online:

http://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/eu-officials-furi...



Some have called for a suspension of talks on the trans-Atlantic free trade agreement.

And now we start talking about costs to the United States.


And Germany. Free trade is win-win, definitely when two countries are similarity developed.

Not going forward with this would be stupid and benefit no one. It's not even a threat.


I'm not so sure. What if one of those countries is not actually sovereign? What if there is also one-sided industrial espionage happening on a massive scale?

I'm not convinced it's win-win when the game is rigged.

Maybe my reasoning is overly simplistic. Maybe I'm being paranoid. But I'm wary now of every agenda the US is pushing.


You're German, right? (Judging by other comments you've made.)

You can sweat us a lot longer than we can sweat you. You haven't shipped your productive industries to China, you see.

There will be free trade. But don't be surprised if the terms just got a shitload more favorable to Germany. This surveillance thing was boneheaded stupid - I doubt you can really grasp the extent to which Americans really don't understand the independent existence of other countries.


Costs to the US?? What do you mean?? But people have been blathering for weeks on HackerNews that the US spying on anyone who's a foreigner is good and right and expected! Surely they can't have neglected to consider that there's only so long you can fuck with people's liberties, whether within your own borders or without, before the lie is revealed and the system build around it crumbles.

No, I won't buy it. I stand with HackerNews here. Spy on foreigners FTW!


Well, speak for yourself. I'm a part of the community, too, and I certainly haven't noticed myself alone in expressing my outrage.


Guess you missed the sarcasm. I know it's the internet, but I thought I slathered it on pretty thick.


Oh go stick your schadenfreude where the sun don't shine.




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