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Moved to mac about 7 years ago because of horrible WSL file system speed was.


You could just move your files to the WSL file system


That kind of defeats the entire purpose of them being accessible from the rest of the system.


You can access them from the rest of the system. For normal usage the performance is completely acceptable but for development tasks it matters.


People who run WSL are not normal users. The filesystem problems make Windows+WSL feel like a Trabant when you're used to a Porsche.


Yes well I felt the same way with how slow Docker file systems were on Mac but I think that's fixed now.


Not really, I only care about WSL for containers, zero filesystem problems.


> Just copy it into the WSL file system

Yea bro totally. Totally. I'm gonna copy 2TB of media into the WSL virtual disk just so ffmpeg can run a little faster but still way slower than simply running linux.

(I beta tested the shit out of WSL1 and 2) before I wised up and just installed Gentoo forever.


You can run that directly on Windows.

But either way yeah most people aren't dealing with large media libraries that's obviously a little more difficult. But if you are primarily operating on them with WSL then you would just keep them in the WSL file system and you could access them from Windows whenever you need to...


Indeed. I have my agent edited files in podman in Lima, under two layers, and it's fine, because I do most stuff within my podman VMs. (I have shared volumes so I can review things before pushing the changes to my forge in separate containers that the agent can't access. When I need stuff on my mac, which is the exception, not the rule, I just copy them, putting them in a tar or zip if it's a lot of files.


There is ffmpeg for Windows.


That helps me exactly zero when I'm running something that is compiled for Linux and has no context in which to use the windows version. Which may not even be compiled with the same ./configure settings and would therefor potentially be missing entire codecs available to it.

This ladies and gentleman is the problem with discussing Windows design patterns on the internets. They say "use this" and you say "well it's broken in X, Y, Z" ways and instead of fixing it they say "you're using it wrong". No. Maybe it's just an inferior architecture.


This ladies and gentleman is the problem with discussing Linux distros on the internets. They say "install this" and you say "well it's broken in X, Y, Z" ways and instead of fixing it they say "you're using the wrong distro". No. Maybe it's just an inferior desktop OS.


You are very far from the average WSL user, especially with that Gentoo mention.


Everyone in the tech industry should know how to install Gentoo.


And yet they don't know, therefore making you outside of the average.


Why are you using ffmpeg under wsl?


What's the point of this question? It doesn't matter.

The entire point of wsl is to be able to run code compiled for Linux on Windows.

ffmpeg underpins so many things these days. It could be used to extract frames in a PHP based website, convert something to a gif, or a demux an mkv. You may as well be asking me why I'm using a computer.


I am not very impressed with macos file system speed when using docker, same problem really.

If you build 100+ megabytes images several times per day it really sucks.


Same here, though I went to Linux first for several years. WSL file speeds, especially when running npm install, were the impetus that ultimately got me to switch off of Windows.


Sounds like you were just doing it wrong

Either you run npm install from Windows if you are operating on the Windows file system or you run it on WSL if you are operating on the WSL file system both cases will be very fast


Or, as they said, they didn't want to have to think about it so they chose to switch.


The entire Windows operating system is doing it wrong. Seriously who daily drives windows these days. lol.


Well before Windows I spent years with both Linux and Mac and I found Windows to be a good mix of stability and suitability for development now that WSL is a thing. Also for gaming it's the best by a long shot so just all around I've found it to be best and WSL made me never miss Linux.


Nah my frames on Linux beat yours easily.


Unlikely due to the better and more stable NVIDIA drivers available to Windows and the greater compatibility with every game without having to mess around with configuration files or other hacks. But you do you.


Of course just a personal experience, but I feel like I'm getting a much more stable experience with AMD in arch+sway/i3. Some of my friends with RTX5080s and such frequently crash on alt-tab or just simply from opening Steam overlay in their W*ndows setup.

Even with tiled windows I haven't had any game crash like that once. "alt-tab" equivalent takes 1ms and it just works. I can throw around the game window between workspaces, resize etc.

It's worth giving it a try. Unfortunate if games with certain AC setups are wanted, like GTA:O or LOL, but I can live without them.


Linux drivers are now first class and are faster and easier to install than any Windows drivers. There's no bullshit extras with them. They just work. Plus steam launches games in containers so there's zero configuration. If you don't know what you're talking about it is in fact better to say nothing than to just make shit up.


It's great that gaming on Linux has gotten a lot better over the last several years but let's not pretend like Windows still isn't far ahead on this

Also how can drivers be easier to install than on Windows when updating my GPU driver is one click?


Here's a pre-configured Fedora based distro that is zero clicks. You sign into Steam and go. Drivers are preinstalled. You literally sign into steam and hit play.

https://nobaraproject.org/


Your answer to "GPU driver updates on Windows are one click, how can Linux be easier" is "here's another distro, install this instead"? This is ridiculous


He wanted it pre-configured and I pointed him to the one distro maintained by a Red Hat employee based on one of the most popular and supported distros.

Ya'll will complain about anything.

It is a live USB you can game on. You don't even really need to install it.


It's easier than windows (generally) because it'll just update with your OS. It's in the repo (sometimes) or a third party repo. It's automatic.


Oh yes, I distinctly remember having to use an outdated driver from a third-party repository to fix some sort of compatibility issue. Never had to do that on Windows


Well, my integrated GPU has a hard time with external 5k screens on Windows fairly often. I need to manually install the Intel drivers, which work for a while, but then Windows helpfully updates them to the earlier, borked version.

At least now this sometimes works if I turn the laptop on with the screen plugged-in. If I go to the toilet and the screen turns off, it's back to some low resolution. When my computer was new 5 years ago, it never did work in 5k, so... baby steps, right?.

Worked perfectly OOB on Linux.


What? You need to _download_ drivers? They come pre-installed in modern distros.


I'm obviously referring to upgrading drivers. Important especially when playing new games since they come with specific optimizations.


It's also usually automated.


It can be automated on Windows too so I don't really understand what your point is here?


I, who has to professionally support installs running Linux with Nvidia hardware, would personally say the situation is very far from ideal on Linux. I dislike this 'my dad can beat yours' kinda competition when it's very clear Linux still has significant issues to resolve.


Out of interest are they running OKM or proprietary driver?


Proprietary for now, not sure how good the open source one is. But the proprietary has many quirks/bugs and limitations especially when i comes to things like Linux specific Vulkan extensions.

I don't know the full story, but afaik, AMD/Intel Mesa based drivers are fully open source and are built in a much more Linux-native way. But unfortunately hardware choice is out of my jurisdiction.


I’ve run the open kernel module for some time and it seems to work well although I had to patch it to fix support for some VR hardware until upstream fixes it properly. What Vulcan extensions were you having issues with?


> better and more stable NVIDIA drivers available to Windows

Huh? It's the same driver. It works the same on every platform. There's no consistent difference in performance (at least not between FreeBSD and Windows, it's been a while since I ran Linux).


I really find these takes hilarious. HN users are so far removed from the average person it's comical.


For one, the game developers that don't care about SteamDeck.


I do and I have no problems. Feel free to ask me anything.


Oh, you know, about 70+% of the global desktop/laptop market. Nearly every F500 company.

But yeah sure, no one runs windows these days.


Because Windows is the operating system of Not Getting Fired. Fear is a stronger motivator than creativity or productivity.


Nah, some of us gave up on The Year of Desktop Linux, especially on laptops, and decided to make use of desktop VMs instead.


Believe it or not, there's plenty of people that specifically choose windows, not just out of fear of getting fired or inertia. The idea that all devs use a mac and that windows is garbage for any kind of development is purely a silicon valley bubble thing.

And there's still a big niche that Windows is your only choice since the move to Apple silicon. If you need both a dGPU and access to commercial software, its literally your only choice. Game dev especially comes to mind if you're jumping between maya, after effects, etc. Windows is also huge in finance.


Windows _is_ garbage for a lot of modern development (except thise targeting Win32). But that does not matter to the ICT department tasked with controlling and securing all endpoints, preferring a single, very well known and controllable OS over freedom and performance.


At least it isn't Wayland, or having to mix and match configurations until hardware video decoding on Chrome finally works.


Wayland is a protocol. Not a program.

The top compositors right now for desktop are KDE Plasma, Hyprland, Gnome/Mutter and all of them implement the Wayland protocol independently.

For game wrappers Valve makes Gamescope (https://github.com/ValveSoftware/gamescope) which is also a Wayland compositor.

When you run a game through a wrapper like GameScope it will draw to the Wayland Server that GameScope is running and then that subsequently writes to the parent display server (which can actually be X or Wayland).

Anyway it's a far superior and more secure protocol than whatever Windows is doing and you should for sure have ChatGPT explain it to you.


No need, I am fine running Linux distro headless for containers, or having Android and WebOS userspace instead on my other devices.

Gemini told me it was a good decision.


You do know that one is literally the worst one right? It's like you walked in and went "I'm using Netscape"

Well whatever you'll find out.


Nah the worst one is the Nazi Grok.


My memory is murky here, but I don't think WSL even had two different file systems at the time.


How would you run Linux without Linux having its own file system that doesn't even make sense


I can't tell if you're trolling me or just unfamiliar with WSL1?




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