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This is a perennial question (see https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17014869 for how far back it goes). I suppose we should add it to the FAQ.

The answer, which has been stable for many years, is that some stories with political overlap are inevitable and ok, as long as they aren't garden-variety politics and there is something of intellectual interest to be discussed. The current post falls in that category (as long as one skips the title and starts at the subtitle).

A thwack of past explanations about this is accessible via https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&so.... If you (or anyone) familiarize yourelf with some of those, and then still have a question, I'd be happy to take a crack at answering it.


I wonder if there's a better way to phrase this. Keeping politics out is neither possible nor desirable, but we all know that there's something that's related to politics that should be avoided to keep conversations high quality.


It's partisanship that ought be avoided. Team sports. Outside of that politics are a game of ideology, ideas, policy, and power dynamics, all of which are worth discussing.


Exactly — reasoned debate about political issues (remember that?) is a positive good; reflexive name-calling and jingoism is not.


Historically, HN has not been a forum for reasoned debate about political issues. Can we please keep it that way?


The word "hacker" itself is extremely political.

Also, everything is political.


> Can we keep politics out of Hacker News?

What does this even mean? Politics is everything, nothing, or whatever a person dislikes. If you're going to complain about it you might as well define it.


Articles on lambda calculus are not political. Nor are articles on prime numbers, golang, Haskell, regex challenges, machine learning, GenAI, history of science, new products (Show HN) et cetera - the stuff I value HN for


Computer languages are definitely political. Machine learning and AI is a very political topic. History of science? It’s filled with politics.


You forget that all topics can be classified into one of two flavors.

There is normal and then there is political. Obviously just stick to normal opinions and don’t bring up political ones

Ezpz


So no more discussion of licenses, especially open source licenses? No discussion of copyright? Patents? DRM?

What about encryption? Do we only discuss technical merits and never mention surveillance?


Well, do you have my normal opinion or do you have a dissenting opinion that is political and shouldn’t be allowed on this forum?

It’s important to under before taking action


I can't speak to your definition of what is political, but if hacker news was just a math forum there'd be no point of visiting it.

> history of science, new products

Ok you're just lying to yourself at this point if you think either of these topics can be divorced from "politics" in even the most facile context. People are gonna disagree about the history of science and whether or not a given product is worth the investment.


From my perspective, almost all technology efforts must contend with the real-world reactions and motivations of people in large groups. We like to think of consumer tech as individualistic but it’s not—that’s what trends are. And most of us work in workplaces where politics and power are part of how decisions get made.

In this case we have an organization with obvious issues but many entrenched interests. From a systems thinking standpoint it seems to have built incredible defensive power, making it virtually impossible for anyone to drive change. That’s pretty interesting.


While I can appreciate the hesitation to move into what is seen as a politically charged topic, I encourage you to not ignore it hoping things will work themselves out. I fully agree that the odds of a technical solution are low, I don't think it is impossible to imagine some technical help.

Which is not to demand that you personally get involved. Feel free to ignore the topics and move on.


Nope. Technology itself is political, especially software.




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