Go read about the Franklin scandal, or the Dutroux scandal before you spout things you are sure aren't happening (in particular the X-witness reports). Elm house, Kinkora in UK. Epstein-Maxwell-Wexner-Mossad, etc, need I go on?

I propose many people pretending to be arbiters of truth refuse to acklowledge facts and citations before them.

The mainstream media inspires wars... they don't get held to account do they? Why the sudden focus on arbitrary standards and funny how they always get applied to those that vary outside the approved overton window.

Obviously pedophilia exists in the world. There obviously should be authorities whose job it is to investigate such things. People absolutely need to be able raise suspicions to authorities for due investigation.

Pizzagate was not that: half the people repeating it were doing it as a meme, were in on the joke. People spread it even knowing it is not true.

I don't know what your point about journalists are: it's literally journalists deliberately spreading damaging misinfo like Alex Jones that need to be held accountable here. The DHS isn't able to go after grandma at Thanksgiving dinner for saying Clinton drinks baby blood.

> I don't know what your point about journalists are: it's literally journalists deliberately spreading damaging misinfo like Alex Jones that need to be held accountable here. The DHS isn't able to go after grandma at Thanksgiving dinner for saying Clinton drinks baby blood.

But how come only the right needs to stop misinformation? Not a day goes by that an article from the left MSM comes out spouting wildly incorrect information (for instance, recently with the SIG SCX SPEAR). The left has increased division and hate in this country and now we’re seeing the result.

It is never morally defensible if you do not have conclusive evidence. Of course what would be considered conclusive is subjective, but that is a matter of education as there can be objective standards. These will never be approached by vigilantism though.

I did not say it is "correct" to shoot up a pizza parlor. I am saying that scenario of "people knowingly lie, other people are misled, other people cause violence" is an even worse situation for society than "people know the truth, people cause violence". The second one is already horrible, the first one is especially horrible.

I can empathize with the people who are deceived. The person who attacked Pelosi has now had his life ruined by lies; the lies induced him to commit violence against an innocent person. That's a thing that is sad on top of Mr. Pelosi who was almost murdered thanks to the lies. It is a pretty sad situation that people lying without consequences resulted in that outcome for both of them.

If he knew the truth and committed the crime then either 1) it was justified vigilantism or 2) it was a wrong action that he did of his own volition. Either way is is less bad than an wrong action that he was tricked into.

Good.

But how come you used an example from the left? How come you weren’t neutral and used an example from both sides? Now you looked biased and are guilty of spreading the same misinformation you’re claiming was spread in the Pelosi instance. You will cause violence against republicans with your comments, so you are now just as guilty.

Furthermore, speaking of misinformation, Pelosi’s attacker was a hardcore liberal, then suddenly became a hardcore Trumpist? And the evidence supporting this was viewed by a handful of police officers and we just have to trust them that someone can make this radical of a change from receiving misinformation? Parts of this story still don’t add up, and looks very convenient to happen right now before midterms. On top of an 82 year old surviving a hammer attack.

What? There were shots fired:

> On December 4, 2016, Edgar Maddison Welch, a 28-year-old man from Salisbury, North Carolina, arrived at Comet Ping Pong and fired three shots from an AR-15 style rifle that struck the restaurant's walls, a desk, and a door.

There's a whole section on Wikipedia:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pizzagate_conspiracy_theory

Your response is exactly why people are getting away with proposing draconian measures like this. You need to stop ingesting and spreading disinformation.

> not a single shot was fired

This is a perfect example of disinformation. According to a contemporaneous report by the New York Times, the “concerned citizen” (which of course is a strange thing to call a criminal, but leaving that aside) illegally discharged an AR platform rifle inside the building, in order to destroy a lock.

Think about why a person would want you to believe that the shooter’s actions were perfectly normal or why they would want you to believe you misremembered the event.

I don't understand your point; you think it's just fine that people deliberately slandered and lied about a pizza place to the extent that someone believed it, went in with an AR and fired rounds and that's all fine because no one died?

Surely even if you think that was fine, it would have been better than fine if the guy did that same thing to a pizzeria actually was a pedo ring? My comment was only saying that violence induced by outright lies has a relevant difference than violence which is a reaction to things that actually happened. Those seem clearly different even if you think censorship is not a viable or correct solution to "violence induced by misinfo".

You’re excusing violence cause by your party, but demanding change for the other party. Both parties need to stop the violence. Having actually fought in a war, violence is never acceptable unless someone is trying to take your life.

I'm excusing no violence, and whichever side you think is 'my party' you are incorrect, I am not either an American Republican or Democrat.

Ah the good ole “not an American” getting involved in American politics.

In fairness, American political culture does leak and infect the rest of the English-speaking cultural sphere, so we do have an interest in it.

For example, when Americans went nuts and tried to remove/deface historical statues, here in Finland local Leftist party's youth group suggested removing a statue of Mannerheim. Mannerheim was a war leader during the Finnish Civil War and led the Finnish defense against Russia during WW2.

He's literally one of the primary reasons those Leftist youth organization chucklefucks' parents didn't grow up behind the Iron Curtain, yet they wanted his statue removed. They definitely got the idea from the US.

No one can comment on the mere idea of violence based on lies without having picked a side and defending a specific political agenda now?

To my knowledge it was never the Republican Party's position is that pizzeria was a pedophile ring was it? What should being of a particular political party have to do with it, that event was based on 100% confirmed fake news. There are no conservative or liberal policies seem involved in that story at all?

> No one can comment on the mere idea of violence based on lies without having picked a side and defending a specific political agenda now?

If it’s unrelated to your politics, yes. What’s the point of you stating your opinion otherwise? Do you realize this can be construed as interference? Would you like Americans commenting on your political issues?

Your comment is such a perfect example of the ouroboros of misinformation, it's hard to believe it exists.