Looking through the features, and the similarity of the architecture, looks like this is meant to compete with VS Code. Even the Settings implementation has the same global/user/workspace hierarchy; there's the 'trusted' code concept too. The one thing that might make it stand out is the smart mode: lightweight editor by default, and enabling it brings in the heavier IDE features.
Anecdotally I've stopped using Jetbrains IDEs due to the bloat factor and their relatively poor Linux support, where VSCode has been providing excellent support and still manages to stay lightweight (though, it's starting to get notification heavy, isn't it?). Fleet is aimed at people like us so I'm willing to give it a try, but expectations are low.
I've been using WebStorm exclusively on Linux with i3 for more over 3 years. I haven't run into any issues with it at all. Even the JetBrains Toolbox and automatic updates works fine.
Not op, but for me the lack of native Wayland support is a deal breaker. And running it through XWayland has various issues (focus is broken, issues with HighDPI screens, etc).
If Fleet supports Wayland natively I might give it a try, otherwise it's dead on arrival for me.
My mistake on the wording, I should have said "mediocre", perhaps. I can't edit the comment now, oops sorry.
I am referring to lack of an installer, and also the default shortcuts which clash with the distro, and in general I've seen features come to Linux a lot later. So a better way to put it is that Linux feels like an afterthought to Jetbrains. I do follow and also raise issues you on YouTrack but find they often languish.
Their IDEs are still overall pretty good, but I gravitate towards VS Code now.
Installing single IDEs is clunky. Basically it's up to you to put it where you want and then create any shortcuts you may need. Flatpaks make this easier but I would rather not use them.
Besides this, I never really felt that Linux was an afterthought though. At least from my experience using CLion.
I get what you are saying, but you are aware VSCode is an entire web browser with a small coding engine. Jetbrains IDEs while built with Java are at least native code. Jetbrain IDEs are also full IDEs, not notepads with a few extras. It's rather hard to compare the two, a proper comparison would be something like Visual Studio.
> you are aware VSCode is an entire web browser [...] Jetbrains IDEs [...] are at least native code
So? You wouldn't tell a non-programmer something like this about an app that they use and expect it to make a difference. The results—the effect that the program produces—is the only thing that matters. If JetBrains manages to produce an IDE where you're constantly confronted with bloat while you're using it, and using something else would alleviate some of that pain, whether the alternative is "native code" or not, then that's the only thing that matters—not architectural purity.
(Side note: is the fundamental theorem behind your statement even true? If I download and run IntelliJ right now is it bytecode running on the JVM, or is it Java/Kotlin AOT-compiled to native object files? Poking around 'ideaIC-2021.2.3.tar.gz', there are an awful lot of classfile-containing JARs in `lib/`, and `bin/idea.sh` ends like this:
You clearly missed my memo, the above message was saying they avoid JetBrains because of bloat, while using literally an entire browser to "avoid bloat".
In fact, you said more than that, hence my quote—which is a real quote, unlike the made up one in your comment—the words you're attributing to the person you reference don't appear anywhere in their comment. (Also, separately, that's not really an appropriate use of the idiom to miss the memo.)
I will admit that I don't know what your point is. Are you under the impression that the Java platform is lightweight?
In addition to your spurious claims about native code:
Anecdotally I've stopped using Jetbrains IDEs due to the bloat factor and their relatively poor Linux support, where VSCode has been providing excellent support and still manages to stay lightweight (though, it's starting to get notification heavy, isn't it?). Fleet is aimed at people like us so I'm willing to give it a try, but expectations are low.