Elasticsearch B.V. owes you nothing. The source code is still open source, but you should pay for re-selling or providing hosting services around it. They have salaries to pay. Period.
Too many open source "believers" find themselves out of pocket, taking time away from their families and lives, only for companies like Amazaon and other WAANKs out there to make billions in profit. Time for this to stop. Starve them of your hard work and make them pay if they want to use your software. For sharing knowledge, code can still be freely readable, but should not be free of charge.
> The source code is still open source, but you should pay for re-selling or providing hosting services around it. They have salaries to pay. Period.
That's not what Open Source is.
What's actually happening here is that people disagree with the goals of the FOSS movement, which is fine, but then instead of going out and joining any of the many other movements around software licensing that are better suited for them -- instead of releasing products as source available or shared source or noncommercial-reuse/creative-commons or just under any generally permissive license -- instead they act like this is our problem to solve.
The point of Open Source is not to share knowledge, it's to allow people to reuse/share code. There are other movements that are better equipped to solve your problems if your goal is primarily just to share knowledge. But we're not going to drop everything we've worked to build just to accommodate you.
Nobody is forcing you to be a part of this movement. Nobody is forcing you to release your software under MIT or GPL licenses. You can do whatever the heck you want with the software you build, just leave us alone and stop acting like it's our problem that our movement isn't accommodating your goals.
Agree, the amount of people who license things as MIT is terrifying. There has been a couple of posts/rants on HN about this. A large company doesn't care about you, and licensing your code as MIT doesn't mean they're going to pay you. GPL actually gives you some teeth.
The argument is that those people were never going to pay you money anyway so don't cater to them. All you can do is try to make it seem like it is cheaper to pay you for a license exception than it is to reimplement, but some places will reimplement anyway.
Yup, pretty much the life story of open source. Some people always tend to get upset that individuals/companies either don’t spend every waking second on a project or want to get paid for their work if used in commercial products.
The impression this thread gives me is that most commenters are shills hiding behind a concern for "open source values", which are not being touched in any sense.
Actually, moves like what elastic is doing are necessary to preserve the FOSS ecosystem.
Elasticsearch B.V. owes you nothing. The source code is still open source, but you should pay for re-selling or providing hosting services around it. They have salaries to pay. Period.
Too many open source "believers" find themselves out of pocket, taking time away from their families and lives, only for companies like Amazaon and other WAANKs out there to make billions in profit. Time for this to stop. Starve them of your hard work and make them pay if they want to use your software. For sharing knowledge, code can still be freely readable, but should not be free of charge.