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There has been angst about medical school admissions for decades. Med school admission really is the hurdle to get over in the US. There are more residency spots than US MD graduates to fill them. By a wide margin.

There's a strong medical education research unit in the UK (Edinburgh?); I remember one of their reports on a series of med student interviews making the observation that it was unnerving how the top performing medical students weren't the most compassionate, they were the most ruthless.

I'm taking my boards soon and I have to say, the ability to commit to the task, regardless of the emotions of your self, patients, peers, support staff, and family can definitely be an asset at times. Do I hope to take a kinder view when I start working in a few months? I'm not sure kinder would be the word. Supportive of a somewhat different set of ambitions, perhaps.

Unfortunately, that ability to deny the emotions of both self and other in pursuit of good clinical care is difficult to separate from 1) the punishment of self-loathing, and 2) the behavior of someone who has been rewarded too long for blind obedience.



In recent years residency slots have become the bottleneck.


There are ~30,000 PGY-1 spots and only about 18,000 allopathic medical school graduates. (1) All the native allopaths and all the osteopaths together can't fill all the residency spots. We inhale foreign medical graduates.

(1) Pages v and 14: http://www.nrmp.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/Main-Match-Re...


This is a bit more nuanced than this.

There's 31,757 positions offered. However, if you are applying into a specialty, you apply simultaneously for a PGY1 and PGY2 position, so those people are being double counted.

As a result, you need to subtract 2,677 advanced positions from the 31k positions, yielding 29,080 PGY1 + PGY2. There are 18,539 US MD applicants, but with the merger of the ACGME and COCA, DO applicants must be counted, adding 3,590 to the US graduate pile. That gives 22,129 US graduates competing for 29,080 spots. Yeah we take a lot of "foreigners" but a lot of them are actually American citizens who went to school in other countries and many of whom have US medical education debt, 5,069 in fact (look on page 1, "IMGs"). If you add in the IMGs, that's 27198 US graduates and US citizens applying for 29,080 spots. Only space for about 2000 Foreign Medical Grads.

[1] - There are 5346 osteopathic graduates per year. http://www.osteopathic.org/inside-aoa/about/aoa-annual-stati...


I just wanted to reply to this comment with the NRMP match data for 2016. It's a pdf that we all use when applying for residency. Perhaps some people might find the information regarding each specialty's available positions/applicant number/median scores/etc helpful.

https://www.nrmp.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/Charting-Out...


When it comes to the admission process aren't all IMG's considered the same irrespective of citizenship. So 5069 (citizens) + (x non-citizens) compete for the remaining seats (6951). Isn't that correct?


IMGs (Citizens) and FMGs (foreign nationals who went) are considered slightly differently.

IMGs have the advantage of speaking English and have no potential visa issues.

This distinction will matter more and more as the race for residency spots tightens and the US becomes more insular, because a lot of IMGs have US educational debt. It also matters where the person went to medical school, e.g. US citizen who went to Israeli medical school vs someone who went to the Caribbean vs an Indian national vs an Iranian national who now will have visa issues with trump. Visa issues are huge, because no one wants to match someone who can't show up for work 2 months later.

These subtle distinctions are not easily sussed out by NRMP data, but the trend is that in the current era, IMGs have a slight advantage.


So what good does increasing US medical school graduation rates do? OK, it would displace some IMGs/FMGs from residency positions, but it doesn't ultimately create more doctors. You can't be licensed to practice independently in the US unless you enter a residency, take the USMLE Step 3 after intern year, and typically you also take a specialty board exam at the end of residency.

See this to understand why the bottleneck is residency positions, not how many US medical students there are: https://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/20/opinion/sunday/bottleneck...


Wow surprised to see that almost half of all PGY-1 residents are foreign-trained.


That's not true, see the reply above yours for a better explanation.


The times are a' changin'

Dr. Emory Brown's work out if U Mass in anesthesia is a data point for this. He claims to have a working general anesthesia machine. From the talks and data of his I have seen, it really does work. Yes, it's not good for a pediatric car accident victims, but for tonsillectomies or proctology exams, you know 'routine' general anesthesia, the thing works great. He says that he uses it in his own surgery suite with better 'results' than a human can obtain.

Yeah, it's 10 years out, maybe 20. But this trend of replacing doctors with robots (and getting better outcomes) is not going away. So, that there is a current bottleneck may be true, but in the near future, we just won't need doctors for a lot of areas of medicine.


Not if you understand what makes up anaesthesia.

Control of consciousness is only one part of the intervention. Much of it is physical intervention with intravenous cannulation, intubation, extubation, ventilation management, and management of cardiovascular dynamics. Closed loop systems for sedation/unconsciousness may make inroads in the next 10 years but general anaesthesia will require physically capable robots.

Doing this everyday and knowing technology and robots the capabilities are a long way away.




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