I do not know a lot about the technology, but I remember reading that the hyperloop is not a full vacuum, just a lower pressure environment. That alone means all these videos are bunk themselves.
Thunderf00t's video got that same response quite a few times. He made an additional video that directly responds to common complaints about the first video: https://youtu.be/DDwe2M-LDZQ?t=238
Low pressure, vacuum, I doubt physics care (not a physicist), it's just a pressure differential, just a bigger or smaller one. So the effects would just be smaller.
Right, but using a true vacuum as your comparable for the construction of a partial vacuum is nonsensical. This structure has a differential closer to an airline, not a space shuttle. Airplanes can handle that pressure differential with a thin layer of aluminum. They can even have windows!
Thinking through this a little more. In basic terms, you just need a tunnel big enough combined with low enough pressure that at speed, the train has significantly less air to push out of the way. I'm sure it is some complex math, but someone who understands the math could figure it out.
The air pressure 10 km above sea level is about 25 % of the air pressure at sea level, the Hyperloop paper says the air pressure in the tube will be 0.1 % of the air pressure at sea level. So the pressure is way closer to a perfect vacuum than to the air pressure outside of airplanes.
Withstanding one atmosphere is certainly not an unsurmountable challenge but given the dimensions and given that this thing is supposed to be cheap it is also certainly not a negligible issue. You also have to maintain the quality of the vacuum, possibly in presence of expansion joints, and you have to deal with the consequences of a loss of vacuum for whatever reasons.
Yes, the mechanical forces involved with a 0.75 ATM differential are very similar to a 1 ATM differential. But the same isn't true for leaks and residual gas because the difficulty isn't linear. Pushing a vacuum 0.1 ATM to 0.01 ATM is much harder than from 0.51 ATM to 0.501 ATM.
Even a small pressure differential might be a huge boost. At least from what I've seen in my basic physics lab, you don't have to get anywhere near a vacuum or even what most people would call "low pressure" for it to make a significant difference.
Just running a tube between two cities of different elevation might allow for zero energy transport of small pods.
^^I read this a lot on hyperloop forums and articles, but it doesn't really matter. What pressure constitutes a vacuum ? What pressure do you mean by low pressure?
Zero pressure(perfect vacuum) is impossible to do in life. So what these articles/videos mean by vacuum is sufficiently low pressure that can reduce drag and that is essentially impossible to do across a tube of any meaningful size.
Incorrect. It's not "essentially impossible" as it's very far from a vacuum, or even a near-vacuum. The Hyperloop paper explains why it doesn't require high cost to build the tube or maintain the vacuum within with only pumps at the two ends of the tube.
That concern is accounted for repeatedly in the debunking videos. It is not valid. Too much air pressure and the hyperloop is pointless. Too little air pressure and the hyperloop is impossible.
If your goal is low pressure, low cost, and high speed then build an airplane. No tracks required, no vacuum pumps required, no permitting required.
Pretty sure that building an aircraft requires a LOT of 'permitting' -- for instance, airworthiness certifications. And that's not just on the aircraft as a whole, but each individual aspect as well as the aircraft design itself.
Low pressure is only reached for a portion of the flight. In a relatively short trip like LA-SF, as Hyperloop was proposed to do, the plane spends quite a bit of its flight time climbing and descending: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J01iDyHq2p0
I only made it to the 2nd third of Thunderf00t debunk, the vertical temperature gradient => buckling seems to ignore the plans to cover the pipe with solar panels.
The terminal length offset seems unrelated at first. It seems they have more options to handle this.
ps: I wonder if, even a public mode of transport fails, it could be interesting for objects; smaller diameter and less security issues.
Thunderf00t's video: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=RNFesa01llk
Debunked: https://www.reddit.com/r/Futurology/comments/4udgd2/the_hype...
Also debunked: https://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/4wck43/hi_were_mostly...