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> I never want to have a conversation with a website that is geared towards advertising me products.

yeah man good thing LLMs are structurally incapable of being incentivized to sell you a product or render referral links, this is surely future-proof


Or subtly misrepresent politically inconvenient facts, or gently steer you into opinions based on a synthesis of broker data and demographic info, or quietly flag you in some database column due to exhibiting dissident-adjacent ideas or behaviors, or...

Yeah, they probably aren't doing (most of) these now, but it doesn't take much mental energy to extrapolate once you factor nearly every other tech company's ethical trajectory and the current geopolitical environment. Substituting classic search entirely with LLMs is not a savvy move.


I remember a few years ago memes were going around about how ChatGPT responded differently to "do Israelis deserve human rights?" ("Of course! Everyone deserves human rights...") and "do Palestinians deserve human rights?" ("While everyone deserves human rights, it's complicated... ")

Doesn’t classic search literally already do everything you fear LLM’s will?

Certainly, but with (what I consider to be) a key distinction: classic search, by definition, must serve information from many distinct sources outside the control of the search company.

A search engine could certainly tamper with which of these sources they surface/rank higher (which I suspect happening more often of late), but they're still obliged by their nature to branch out and seek information from the broader world.

LLMs, on the other hand, are self-contained opaque monoliths that can be conditioned to deceive or obfuscate with devious cleverness, and all control over their behaviors is entirely concentrated in the hands of whatever corporation trains them.


I ask them for sources. It’s just a more efficient vector based search for most of my google search replacement use cases.

My thought here is that there are many. They have proven to be commodities in most use cases.

As soon as one gets annoying, expensive, advertiser heavy etc. you just rip it out and replace it with the other one. AFAICT there is zero lock-in or moat. I often am able to switch models in one click or command. This is why all the LLM providers are desperate for a product layer/comprehensive tool set.

Sure maybe they all end up that way, but there’s plenty of reasons corporate customers will want private LLM usage that is not skewed towards advertising. I am happy to pay for that.

Also, open source models are a bulwark against another search style ad Monopoly.


That used to be the situation with search engines, too...

oh i’ve definitely seen “we’re going to track the number of bugs created in jira per team” turn into “people just file things as tasks instead of bugs” or “only easy things are filed as bugs and completed right away”. It’s trivially gameable.

nice try, Claude

lol I actually wrote all that in my own voice, that’s sad

working in a large codebase I use Claude for code understanding and the code reviews from Macroscope have caught bugs for me a bunch of times. Usually if I use claude it’s for refactoring a and source to source transformations that would be too confusing for me to figure out how to do with e.g. ast-grep, but that I can prompt in a minute or two and then have claude work through it. It’s stuff I could do without LLMs but it’s less effort to use them. I don’t let it write new code, because it decays the process of programming as theory building.

the last time I went to Japan was I think 2015 and the exchange rate was about 120 yen to the dollar. I bought almost all of the clothing that I wore for the next year or two during a stretch of three days in Tokyo. The exchange rate right now is 155 yen to the dollar and prices on everything in the US have gone through the roof, so this doesn't seem all that ridiculous to me. I am more annoyed by the assumption that I live in SF than the idea that I might go from SF to Tokyo on a vintage shopping trip.

tech peaked at the PS Vita and I am not joking


As much as I love my Vita having access to Chinese handhelds with decent screens that can emulate almost everything under the sun (including PC, Switch and some Vita!) is pretty damn awesome!


ideally european/asian users would hit european/asian servers, so potentially not surprising


Reads like it’s not copying the parent, it’s manually constructing the env dictionary to be passed to execve explicitly. I do this in one of my tools at work because developers were exfiltrating secrets and hand jamming them into .env files.


Yeah, so, it's not injecting? To inject something into X, X needs to exist. X does not exist yet when execve is set up.

I'm not being pedantic. I just want to read about injection when I'm promised injection :-) because that'd be technically interesting for me. Plainly calling execve isn't so much, I have the manpage here already :-)


You're not alone. I was hoping for the same.


Something tells me that if I look, I'll see a .env being used in the actual tool


> Password manager > No CLI injection.

reminds me of the 1password cli:

https://developer.1password.com/docs/cli/reference/commands/...


full disclosure I work at Whatnot but that sort of thing is a large part of the appeal of Whatnot to me, that people are showing off the stuff live on stream and you can ask questions about it


This whole concept of selling things in video format seems so alien to me. I didn't believe when someone told me they shop on TikTok now. It already takes me ages to browse through a gallery of items, I couldn't imagine going through items video by video.


Some people watch TV channels which do nothing but present things to buy with a phone number to order. Lots of live shows as well, its not just non-stop pre-recorded infomercials. It doesn't surprise me in the slightest such an idea would move to short form video content as well. People trying on makeup or showing off clothing with their affiliate links down below.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HSN


that's more or less how I felt about it, but someone I know worked at Whatnot and liked working there so I tried out the app before applying and then applied because the product clicked for me. I wouldn't have joined Whatnot if I didn't like the product.

> I couldn't imagine going through items video by video.

That's fair, it's just not how people use it and it's not the concept. It's primarily a browse experience, not a search experience. You can search but that's not the core experience.

I buy vinyl records and retro games. There are sellers that I like. When I open the app I see which of my preferred sellers are live and I tune into their stream and hang out and watch them. If something I'm interested in pops up, I'll bid on it. Live shopping is not trying to be "ebay but video", it's a different experience.


The digital Yellow Pages were replaced by streaming teleshopping.


I’ve been car shopping recently, and I’ve found myself deliberately seeking out videos, because I’ve found that it’s very hard to get a sense of what the thing is really going to look like from static photos. Unstaged photos make everything look uglier, staged photos require adjusting for the unknown staging.


Oh, I definitely look up products I intend to buy on YouTube. But I don't go there (or any other video platform) to discover them.


This sounds like a really unpleasant shopping experience to me.


I applied there but the gamified, urgent dynamic of the shopping experience rubs me the wrong way, it's stacked against the user


AI is in spitting distance of being able to do that too.


I sometimes wonder if the random people sitting there hawking a pile of Amazon goods that pops up after every Amazon purchase are already AI.


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