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I think they also got sick of supporting those open source libraries.


By this logic they should discontinue the regular Pro.


Not really. Every single button that gets rendered has thirty class names attached to it instead of one. It really bloats markup with duplicated classes.


Apple has a long long history of supporting open source.


can you please tell us what have they done for open source except LLVM.


Probably took me less time to search “Apple open source” and click the first link than it did to type your question:

https://opensource.apple.com/


Basically nothing except swift and llvm.


They are able to rebrand other peoples stuff!


I mean, if you can’t read I could see how one might walk away with that impression.


My argument was apple is doing nothing much for open source, then you suddenly come with link that shows Apple has done nothing for open source compared to other company like Microsoft or Google or even Meta.


…compared to other company like Microsoft or Google or even Meta.

So you can read, you just moved the goalposts when you were shown to be mistaken.


mistaken? Looks like you can't comprehend goalposts with common sense. Apple isn't random acme company we are comparing here.


Swift, WebKit, Darwin/XNU, MLX, FoundationDB, Container, Pkl, libdispatch (GCD), CUPS, CareKit, ResearchKit, Kubernetes, Cassandra, Spark, Netty, Solr…


Sure, but other then language tools, databases, printing, container orchestration, what have the Roman’s ever done for us?


~85% of the things they mentioned were Mac-exclusive software, so that's more of a question for yourself than the greater FOSS community.


If you have the will, and the knowledge all of those tools can be used to your advantage but no one has for the most part they want someone else to do it for them for free.


If you see google and microsoft contribution to OSS, apple contribution to OSS is basically nothing.


LLVM / Swift / Webkit & XNU (I don’t really know of anything using Xnu up stream but the others are large open source projects?)


Clang, OpenCL, MLX


Don't they ship a propetietary clang variant with weirdass version numbers? That was true at least at some point. Fortunately most Mac users on my experiments have given up attempting to compile any code in their Macs after SIP etc made it too annoying so rarely have to support them anymore.


> "What has Apple ever done for Open Source?"

> proceeds to name three of the worst-managed projects in the history of FOSS software


and CUPS


Hunt for Red October!


Oh, yes! Dr. Petrov. That film has so many great actors. Connery, Neill, Jeffrey Jones, Peter Firth… it even has a Baldwin and a Skarsgård in the same film.


And James Earl Jones!


Was thinking about this a couple of days ago...

Sam Neil - Gone. Sean Connery - Gone. Tim Curry - (now)Gone.

All the big names from my childhood are starting to die... Damn.


I literally watched this a couple days ago. James Earl Grey (Jack Ryan"s boss in the movie) is gone too.


You seem to need caffeine, considering that it is on your mind... :)


Ah, touché!


> my preferred frameworks can’t possibly be slow and yours can’t possibly be fast


And yet that site has horizontal scroll bars.


No, it wasn’t.



That says Qatar funded it.


Israel is the nanny-state that has ABSOLUTE control over what money goes in and out of Gaza and WHO it goes to.


It was pretty close until republicans pulled back Medicaid.


How is htmx invulnerable to vulnerabilities and attacks?


It's not invulnerable, I think gp just means that reducing your amount of dependencies reduces the attack surface.


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