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None of your arguments hold any water if big-corpo AI restricts open-weight models - which they very clearly want to do. AI is NOT “the best thing that ever happened to the Free Software world” if our only option is to pay a select few companies to use it.

Those arguments are independent of the state of OSS models. There appears to be no moat whatsoever on creating state of the art models commercially - the US threw the kitchen sink at China in terms of sanctions and barriers ... yet it has been unable to keep Chinese companies away from the frontier (arguably ahead in small local models with Qwen). Even if all the models were proprietary we'd expect the costs and capabilities to be widely available. The Europeans might even be able to field their own advanced models eventually.

OSS models are strategically important, but that is a different matter to getting value out of them for OSS software development.


Consumers are way too fickle to pursue open models en masse. Even if they are 90% as good and fairly easy to use (works acceptably on most machines, easy installation, whatever), they will still go for the ones controlled by big corportions/big tech.

Look at how consumers deal with free, open source software, alternate Operating Systems, alternate social networks, alternate search engines, alternate chat protocols... even when the barriers are low they just don't give a damn. I honestly think most people would choose to join the Borg out of sheer convenience. It's futile to think this won't happen with AI.


IMO, AI will have the same problems no matter which area or country uses it to dominate over others.

Big corporations can't do shit about open-weight models that already exist, because those are... just bags of floats. Once released, there is no unreleasing them. The Internet never forgets.

Download the files as they come out if you're worried, but there's no way to roll LLMs back beyond what we have in open-weight models right now. It's a ratchet.


Big entertainment has been trying to restrict the distribution of movies online since that became possible, how's that going for them?

The long term trend seems to be in their favor as governments want to include more traceability and ability to shut down sites into the Internet for their own reasons which will help the entertainment industry as a byproduct. Plus they can use LLMs just as much as anyone else in their quest to build better roadblocks.

Pretty well, honestly. Somebody with both technical knowledge and familiarity with a particular subculture can get access to entertainment videos with some work. But they've managed to keep piracy economically negligible. Basically everybody uses streaming services, 90% of US households pay for at least 1, and the average household pays for 4. [1]

Brand was wrong. Information doesn't want to be free, just cheap.

[1] https://variety.com/2026/tv/news/how-much-us-households-spen...


You can watch a lot of TV series online on some random pirate sites by simply googling "show x free online". It doesn't even require the relatively simple technical knowledge of using a BitTorrent client.

This is only the case because streaming services today are so cheap and convenient. Jack up the price, or decrease the convenience, and see people sail the high seas en masse again..

Indeed, the origin stories of these streaming services are deeply intertwined with combating piracy if you go back 20+ years. And I agree, if they outlaw open weight models, then only outlaws will have open weight models. But good luck finding and prosecuting the outlaws beyond a few whales.

Quite well. Lots of people in jail and it's quite obscure how to download movies as a casual.

We have open-source models, and they're getting better and better.

But, rather that a wide Edenic expanse of communication, we seem headed toward walled gardens with gatekeepers and a need to pay money for all the usual reasons.

This seems both inevitable, and an occasion to tout the https://www.fsf.org


Eh? Where exactly is that a reality though? I just spent like 20$ last week on various Chinese frontier models using openrouter and ppq building like 10 different projects that would've cost way more than double or quadruple per token at the big 3 if I didn't have those alternative options. Hell, for small tasks I even fell back to a local 27b Qwen model.

... if you can afford the ever increasing cost of hardware, a rise directly caused by the same AI companies.

I don't think it will be ever-increasing. It might last a long time, but sooner or later supply will increase to meet the demand (or the demand will drop, or both) and hardware will be cheap again.

for now.

They will literally never get worse. It's a one-way street.

I agree. The question is if they will remain legal.

The law doesn't prevent someone from doing or using something. It punishes them for doing or using something (if caught), but never prevents.

If laws had the power to prevent, Chicago would be some sort of utopia.


Chicago is pretty great, bub. This year I opened a pinball museum here, so I can testify that it's a fine place to run a business. Some friends just came from the Bay Area for a week and had a lovely time. If only for your mental health, you should step out of your media bubble now and again

It also seems pretty reasonable to worry that Oracle isn't banning LLM code contributions to OpenJDK https://www.theregister.com/ai-and-ml/2026/08/03/as-larry-el... ( HN discussion at https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49213754 ) purely on quality grounds. If things carry on as at present, and it turns out that indeed it really was legally safe to copy and paste almost any code that came out of an LLM, then that's one thing; but if instead there's a rash of code copyright (and indeed patent) lawsuits a few years from now then the big and middling companies will simply pay each other settlements, while FOSS projects and their small-fry users will likely be in a much worse situation.

That’s like saying private libraries are bad for freedom to read, or Blockbuster was bad for freedom to view movies

I really appreciate this comment since it very effectively communicates how I feel about the subject, since I have been struggling with putting it into such clear language.


Thank you very much.


You’re wrong. Despite its usefulness in our profession, AI is deeply unpopular with the general public and products that don’t include it are rapidly gaining in popularity. People are tired of AI being shoved down their throats without consent.


Are you speaking from personal experience or do you have data to back that up? I honestly would love to see some study around this. I haven't done my research but --anecdotally-- everyone around me is ok with it or even enjoying AI to some degree. No strong stances either way tbh.


Here you go: https://archive.ph/9erfx bask in that 20% support of "more good than bad when it comes to news" and the 70% thinking it's destroying jobs.

There's also this, quite related one, showing that the BigAI CEOs are very disliked by below 34's https://futurism.com/artificial-intelligence/young-people-ai...


They have.


Almost 20 months since the last post


yeah it's like the AOL business model where people just keep the sub running and don't cancel.


Perhaps that is what you are wishing for, but it’s not the reality.


This is categorically untrue. In addition to the games listed below, they are actively developing "Deadlock" which is a pretty rad game in my opinion.


What do you think it means to say "categorically untrue"?


It will be reversed after Trump makes some “deal” with Anthropic. I’ll put money on Taco Tuesday.


Barbed hooks are not allowed most of the time anymore.


And which would you prefer through your lip? Barbed, barbless, or nothing the fuck at all because people let you live your life undisturbed?



Bears are people when you’re on grindr, but that bear there isn’t a person, friend.


What difference does that make to the salmon?


obtuse and so dense;

fish swim happily upstream,

while rocks sink down fast.


Fish are not people and you’re projecting on to them. Do we need to start with whether you eat meat or own pets?


Animals other than humans feel pain and do tend to avoid it.

And nope, no eating meat for me (and like half a billion other people). It’s both easier and more empowering than one might think!


Great, then this really isn’t a debate about fishing. We completely disagree about the roles of animals in our life.


I’m sure we both have cared for and loved animals at some point! There’s nothing wrong with recognizing that a fish can feel pain much like a cat or a dog or a rabbit or a horse.


Can an insect feel pain? What about a mushroom, or a plant? What things are conscious enough to feel pain? I'm genuinely asking because I because it seems arbitrary as to where the line gets drawn. Before the 1980s it was the medical consensus that babies weren't capable of feeling pain even though this is now widely recognized as untrue.


I don't think the line is quite so arbitrary! Virtually all animals (with a few exceptions!) have a central nervous system, which is required to "feel" pain, to my understanding.

The good news is that we can adapt our thinking and behavior in light of new evidence.


Sure. And I think your lifestyle is a valid and respectable choice. Angling is just far downstream of topics to look at!


Walk me through how you think this is going to be enforced? Athletes will need to start dropping their pants? Disgusting invasion of privacy.


The article addresses that. Given all the testing already, this is a trivial addition:

“Under the new policy eligibility will be determined by a one-time gene test, according to the I.O.C. The test, which is already being used in track and field, requires screening via saliva, a cheek swab or a blood sample.“


You think Olympic athletes have any expectation of privacy around drug testing already? They have to register their every move and piss while being visible on demand.


You think the only way to medically test for male vs female is to visually id genitals?


Well the article says a cheek swab or blood test.


The article already covered it: It's minimally invasive (cheek swab) testing typically for the SRY gene - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex-determining_region_Y_prote...

This is less invasive than all of the other doping tests that athletes already go through, which require blood draws.


Doesn’t really work though - and given athletes are on the edge of performance there’s probably more people that fall in between than you might expect

From the Wikipedia article:

While the presence or absence of SRY has generally determined whether or not testis development occurs, it has been suggested that there are other factors that affect the functionality of SRY.[25] Therefore, there are individuals who have the SRY gene, but still develop as females, either because the gene itself is defective or mutated, or because one of the contributing factors is defective.[26] This can happen in individuals exhibiting a XY, XXY, or XX SRY-positive[27] karyotype[better source needed] Additionally, other sex determining systems that rely on SRY beyond XY are the processes that come after SRY is present or absent in the development of an embryo. In a normal system, if SRY is present for XY, SRY will activate the medulla to develop gonads into testes. Testosterone will then be produced and initiate the development of other male sexual characteristics. Comparably, if SRY is not present for XX, there will be a lack of the SRY based on no Y chromosome. The lack of SRY will allow the cortex of embryonic gonads to develop into ovaries, which will then produce estrogen, and lead to the development of other female sexual characteristics.[28]


The test is used for initial screening only.

Presence of SRY in an athlete registered as female means further tests must be undertaken, with permission of the athlete, to determine eligibility.

Absence of SRY means the screening is passed and the athlete is eligible to compete.


The IOC included exceptions for certain DSDs.

Please read the linked articles first before jumping to Wikipedia to try to counter them. The decision is more nuanced than you assume


The Yahoo article linked says that exceptions will be made for people with conditions like that:

“Athletes diagnosed with Complete Androgen Insensitivity Syndrome (CAIS) ‘or other rare differences/disorders in sex development (DSDs), who do not benefit from the anabolic and/or performance-enhancing effects of testosterone’ may still be allowed to participate in the women’s category.”


In a word: so? Intersex people exist, you have to draw the line somewhere, the presence of SRY seems as good as any.


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