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This will never work. Components in cars are engineered to be organized as efficiently as possible. The overhead from having replaceable batteries will kill the amount of storage you can have. There is no way you can have generic attendants swap out batteries in 5 minutes. Working with EVs is a dangerous job that you can't just pay an uneducated minimum wage worker to change. The batteries are extremely heavy and are placed in locations that you need a car lift to get to. Plus theres all sort of liability and safety issues from potentially messing up a battery swap or getting a bad battery and blowing up your car.


> Components in cars are engineered to be organized as efficiently as possible

Ever heard of an SUV? Cars are not designed to be efficient, they are designed to meet product goals. Sometimes those goals are efficiency, such as meeting an emissions or efficiency regulation. But most of the goals are "what do we think some schmuck will pay $30K for?"

If 100 years ago, replaceable batteries were not a barrier to storage space, they certainly shouldn't be now, unless we're just admitting that we suck so much at building cars now that we can't even make them like we did 100 years ago. Battery swapping services existed for 20 years. It only stopped because the market decided gas would rule instead.


SUVs have no relevance to the question. In every EV, and modern cars, the location and layout of every component, especially the battery is a highly engineered process. The battery specifically is not only the most valuable component they need to store as much of as possible, it is the most heavy and most dangerous. Teslas blew up because the battery wasn't stored safely. Store it too high and you risk rollovers. This doesn't even take into account the danger of high amp battery packs being moved around and shared between vehicles. You're oversimplifying a very difficult problem


I dont know how scalable this is, but Nio (electric car maker from China) are building automatic battery swap stations. See e.g. here (video is in German): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vv7OQofChbg

edit: I think it takes more than five minutes though, especially when you have to wait in line.


After hearing about the drama and reading kf's pov, I can definitely understand why the people ddosing kf want it down. The stuff they do is illegal and absolutely vile but overlooked by the people in power because it suits their politics. It scares me as a prospective parent.


>The stuff they do is illegal

The content on the Kiwi Farms is legal.

Edit: Disregard this as I misinterpreted what I quoted.


I was referring the the stuff the people who want kf down were doying, ie selling homemade hormones to underaged children.


> selling homemade hormones to underaged children

What is this? Who is doing this and why?


This happens because a lot of times trans people find themselves in the position where they realize they are trans but can’t do anything about it because they were born in a country that doesn’t offer the qualified help to them (at all or in timely fashion). Sometimes it has to do with their parents refusing to hear what’s on their mind. That’s when “trans diy” options come to light and they helped many a trans people previously. The thin line where this kind of behavior might turn into something less innocent might not be immediately obvious, especially when phrased in a way that is supposed to elicit emotional response.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Primum_non_nocere "first, do no harm"

"Non-maleficence, which is derived from the maxim, is one of the principal precepts of bioethics that all students in healthcare are taught in school and is a fundamental principle throughout the world. Another way to state it is that, "given an existing problem, it may be better not to do something, or even to DO NOTHING, THAN TO RISK CAUSING MORE HARM THAN GOOD." It reminds healthcare personnel to consider the possible harm that any intervention might do. It is invoked when debating the use of an intervention that carries an obvious risk of harm but a less certain chance of benefit."


You seem to be of opinion that this is a simple situation with clear cut options one of which is always safe while the other can bring harm. That is not the case, as usual with problems that cause so much discussion on the internet. If the trans person is not able to get necessary treatment (which is well documented by medical professionals) it’s very likely they will experience depression and they may even suffer harm as a result. How can you evaluate that doing nothing in this situation may indeed bring less harm than another option? That is usually a decision that needs to be made by a medical professional, but what if that’s not possible? What if the doctors aren’t trained to deal with situations like this and would still bring harm by their choices?


So the trans activist solution is to sell sexual hormones to prepubescent children? Is this real? I'm having trouble believing this shit.


>Is this real? I'm having trouble believing this shit.

Yes it's real and if you think making and distributing homemade hormones to children is vile and dangerous, you're apparently a transphobe nowadays.


You have trouble believing that trans people, whose problems are ignored by most population, choose to help people experiencing the same problem, that they know may lead to suicide if untreated, when nobody else does? How is it surprising? The only proper solution to this problem is to give all trans people equal and quick access to properly trained medical professionals who can treat them correct way, and that’s not happening.


Belief has nothing to do with it, gender dysphoria is an established medical diagnosis. The question is: why are these transgender people recommending and selling drugs to children? Do you seriously think this is okay?

Here's the published criteria for such a recommendation:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK532313/

> Persistent and well-documented gender dysphoria

> Capacity to consent for the treatment

> Mental or medical underlying issues are in control

The gender dysphoria must be persistent. How is it possible to determine that without long term observation? The patient needs to consent after being informed of and understanding the risks. Can a child understand and consent to this?

It's absolutely insane that people think it's okay to just ignore all this and sell hormones to children. This is not help, this is drug dealing. Whoever is doing this is exposing children to significant risks.


Hormones are not specifically targeted to young people, and all the trans dyi resources I’ve seen have a ton of disclaimers and aren’t exactly easy to find and use. It is a last option for people who have no other choice, and it is regarded as such in community. To go this route you need to do actual math, do the blood work and read about this a lot. Do I think it should be available for children? In a perfect world - no, as children have access to medical professionals and puberty blockers. In this one, where an opinion of 17.999 year old may be completely discarded by parents who are 100% sure they know their child better then the child themselves? Where people can be told their appointment is in two years? Where the doctor can be a bigot and discard valid concerns? And not having this option at all may lead to many suicides? Yeah, I think this option may be justified. How many years would you consider to be permanent enough for you? Are you claiming that all parents are correct all the time?


That is absolutely insane. I don't care what the gender politics situation is. These hormones have significant risks associated with their use and are not things that can be sold to children.


You do know that there are plenty of faceless grey market hormone sellers that'll sell hormones to literally anyone who sends them cryptocurrency and maybe sometimes a bank transfer? "Trans activists" with large followings aren't the ones doing that.


Yes, that's illegal drug dealing. No way around that. However, that's not what was described to me in response to my original question.

What is this supposed to mean?

> That’s when “trans diy” options come to light and they helped many a trans people previously.

> trans people [...] choose to help people experiencing the same problem

Did I misinterpret this? Because it seriously sounds like there are trans people out there selling these "DIY trans" drugs. If they're knowingly selling to children in an attempt to help them as previously claimed, I'm sorry but that's extremely fucked up.


It is trans people / trans activists. They want children who think they are trans (despite 60-80% of children growing out of it) to use hormones.


Is there a source for the "60-80%" figure?


There are a couple different studies which is why I put the range. Here are a couple

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/18981931/

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/23702447/

Some older studies from the 80s and 90s that are even higher (well into the 90%), but they may not be the best representation of the modern trans situation.


>what is this?

Selling homemade hormones to underaged children

>who is doing it?

Mentally ill people

>and why?

Mental illness


From what I heard there was a false flag bomb threat


For reference sake, here’s the post:

> Just rang up a couple of lads down in Belfast and asked them to plant bombs in all of those places. also, 3 armed men will be at each place, waiting.

Seems to have been moderated/scrubbed from the keffals thread but I do see replies referencing it.

The post was screenshotted and posted to Twitter almost instantly and it seems that the post itself was quickly moderated and the user banned.

Seems like a straw that broke the camel’s back situation, but it’s very odd how CloudFlare is talking about “moderation” when it seems as though KiwiFarms quickly took care of moderating it themselves.

And fwiw, I had no idea what KiwiFarms was before this week.


If true, an ingenious way to de-cloudflare someone, which will be used many times again.


It has to be done in conjunction with protests by a politically protected group


Whatever do you mean, an imminent threat to life is an imminent threat to life. Say, does Hacker News use Cloudflare?


I wouldn't give the trolls trading screenshots too much credit here. I assume Cloudflare is a little more savvy than that.


I don't.


Nothing new for KF. What is new is the attention is now on Cloudflare


Crabs in the bucket


China supported this in a psyop. Remember when they tried repeatedly to push the origin of the virus to Italy? I'm ethnically Chinese, so I'm in contact with a lot of mainlanders. The brainwashing is very effective. Even if most mainlanders know that their state media is bogus, and that Xi is a dictator, they'll take it deeply personally when you say anything that threatens the whole China # 1 narrative. All they had to do was hire a few shitposters, feed a few media narratives and the US fights with itself over stuff like anti-china, racists etc, while the CCP takes over Hong Kong.


Or all the effort to not call it China Virus/Wuhan flu because that's racist and we don't name viruses after places anymore.

Virus variants named after places on the other hand are apparently perfectly fine. So we don't have the Chinese virus but we do have British, Brazilian and Indian variants.


This is incorrect given the new WHO guidelines https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jun/01/covid-19-varia...


Except it is TVs and newspapers that were lecturing us that it was racist to call it the chinese flu and that are now happily using the xx-variant designation. It is the obvious bad faith that I find appalling.


Because there was no other name they could use. Blame the WHO for moving at the speed of molasses on this issue.


By the time it is deemed a variant, it has been sequenced number of times across the country and the health authorities always have a code or name to refer to this particular strain.


They had a code but not a name. The media can't refer to things by a confusing jumble of letters and numbers, they need a name, and if there's no official name then the media will create one themselves. Hence "India variant".

This is basic PR, e.g. when Heartbleed was disclosed it was given a name so that people could discuss it and attach meaning to it.


I guess it's good that they realized that, but I don't really understand why this time it took half a year. We'll see if the newspapers follow it.


It's good, but it's not exactly easy to remember. Hence why the papers here in the UK now tend to say something like 'the Delta variant, which was first seen in India' - that's only marginally better than 'the Indian variant' tbh.


> It's good, but it's not exactly easy to remember [[.]

Saying "$origin virus" is _definitely_ easier to remember than - say - something like "Covid19".

Except that we were told that using "$origin" was racist, so we had to stop, and we had to use the non-easy-to-remember version.

Where we are the media has been happily talking about "the British variant" and "the Indian variant", but no-one seems to be calling _that_ racist. At least no-one who the media cares about.


Sure, let's just all blame it on the greeks!


Nobody in the world except the US right called it that, and it is indeed uncommon to name viruses after its place of origin.


Literally any new variant has been called by its origin in the last year: -kent/brit variant -indian variant -california variant

What are you on about?


> What are you on about?

Not those variants, obviously.


Back in the early days Singapore very quickly created a fantastic web based information panel on the state of the Virus in the city. It's still running but they no longer use the original url: http://wuhanvirus.sg


Mers, lyme, west nile, Rocky Mountain, Zika, hanta, Ebola.


Except for the Spanish flu, the Brazilian flu, almost every single mammarenavirus strain...


The Spanish Flu most probably originated in the US, not Spain. Spain just had a pretty free press and published much about it. Never heard about the Brazilian Flu and couldn't find out when and where this was supposed to be, so can't comment here.


The question wasn't historically if the place-of-origin names were accurate. The question was if they were historically common.

I think naming diseases after places is a bad practice we should probably do away with, but it certainly has precedent. Offhand, there's also the Marburg virus. My understanding is also that it was unusual to name the Ebola virus after the nearby river instead of the nearby town.


Isn't it similar to naming medical conditions after the people that discover them? After all, it's naming pathogens after the place where there were was adequate diagnostic expertise to identify them and in which there was sufficient scientific and press freedom to report on them. And geography is obviously important in the context of epidemics/pandemics. No country or locality should receive special treatment in this regard, but much of the MSM appears to have been bought or cowed into submission by the geopolitical influence of the CCP.


> we do have British, Brazilian and Indian variants

which will now be re-named by Greek letter names


Context matters. The trump administration used those phrases to stir up anti-Chinese and racist sentiments.


Context matters, but consistency too. If it's racist too call it the Wuhan flu (which I can agree with) then the Indian variant is too.


Sounds placist to me.


Not to forget WIV1 virus..


Does no one else remember the videos out of China with people laying dead in the streets, falling over as they walked, convulsing behind the steering wheels of cars? Who paid for all that acting, scenes, and filming and then have it presented as “news”?

CCP owns Hong Kong, that was over in 1997, the only surprising thing about HK is that China waited this long to make it better known. Now... The country of Taiwan on the other hand, it’s going to be a bit more tense there for some time.

EDIT: Added links from Jan, most videos have been removed but the articles and screenshots are there. The one I specifically wanted was removed from YouTube and I can’t find it, showed a guy being checked by a PPE marshmallow then nearly immediately going into spasms in his car.

EDIT2: To whoever might have been upset at my thoughts on Taiwan; I updated it with some italics for you.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7923981/Coronavirus...

https://www.ibtimes.sg/china-virusnew-videos-wuhan-show-coro...

Here is snopes with an eye roll worthy fact check https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/people-collapsing-coronavi... “Unproven” ok, thanks for that guys.


> Does no one else remember the videos out of China with people laying dead in the streets, falling over as they walked, convulsing behind the steering wheels of cars?

Could you provide a link? I never saw such video on YouTube.


These videos [1] were published by a number of tabloids such as The Daily Mail [2] and The Sun [3]. I also remember that a very popular french TV show (Quotidien [4]) published them as well.

[1] https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/people-collapsing-coronavi...

[2] https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7923981/Coronavirus...

[3] https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/10808633/coronavirus-wuhan-zom...

[4] https://www.liberation.fr/checknews/2020/01/31/les-videos-di...


I saw the videos but they weren’t on YouTube. There were pastebins listing dozens of links to videos and photos BUT there was also zero proof it was connected to the virus or any timestamps, so who knows.


I can confirm the videos existed. Saw them when they were posted, back in Jan 2020. They were never on youtube, though, that I'm aware of.


I saw these too, mostly on Twitter. I shorted Boeing based on them and made some nice money. My friends didn't believe me that this was looking real bad.


> didn't believe me that this was looking real bad

I think the problem was the world also didn't believe it. Perhaps if every other country had had the balls to just shut down travel in/out of China for a month or so back at the very start it might never have been so bad. I remember when the very first reports of a novel Coronavirus in Wuhan were making the news that it had the potential to be really bad, but also had some wishful thinking that it was probably just a storm in a teacup.


China should have shut down international flights. Instead they shut down internal travel and happily exported the virus to the world. They have lost the last bit of good will I had for them and I suspect this is a sentiment shared the world over. The WHO are also complicit.


I share your feeling and this concerns me most: China's leadership don't care anymore what the world think of China. China gave up the PR war because their next big move might be ugly.


Hang on a second, remember Trump was called racist and xenophobic for shutting down travel to China?

And how weird that Zuckerburg sent an email to Fauci about vaccine funding and offers of help exactly the same time Nancy’s Pelosi was literally saying come to Chinatown and hug and Asian person. How were they talking about a vaccine at that point?

There seems to have been a lot of public and private statements going on, and everyone wants to memoryhole it.


I remember when he shut down travel from China... On January 31st. There were ~2k new cases every day, and internal travel was heavily restricted.

Meanwhile, it took until March 11th to ban travel from Europe, which at the time was seeing ~10k new cases a day, with full freedom of movement from affected areas to unaffected ones.

The problem wasn't that he banned travel from China. The problem is that he didn't ban travel from Europe, until it got way worse than China.


You: The problem wasn't that he banned travel from China. The problem is that he didn't ban travel from Europe, until it got way worse than China.

Okay. Yes, you're a very pro-lockdown Seattlite with access to almost every comfort you could want without leaving your home. I believe that you were probably not mad at Trump for stopping flights, and wanted more to be stopped. That is within your character as read by your comments. I'm skeptical you understand what lockdowns actually meant for other people, but that's besides the point.

Me: [Democrats and the media called Trump racist for shutting down travel from China]

Okay, so we agree then? I don't think I said anything about Europe or if Trump Admin had gone far enough and when.


I could both have preferred a harder lockdown, and also be cognizant of the hypocrisy of banning travel from one country, but not from another region, when the other region is worse off by nearly every metric.

Was accusing him of racism for that particular thing on February 1st a bit early? Maybe.

Did history prove the critics right? Yeah. It did. It only took six weeks.

Addendum: I appreciate that you have gone to some length to research the context of my character and my previous posts, in order to best form a context in which to interpret my current ones. I suggest that perhaps Trump's critics on this subject may have done something similar. The man has given them a few years of material to work with by that point, after all.


There is a guy on r/China I think who archived a bunch of disturbing videos from last January /February. I think I saved them or links, but I'm away from my computer. Will update if I find it.


Please share


Well, this is genuinely irritating. I'm pretty sure I saved the post on reddit, saved a link, or saved some videos, but I cannot find anything. I must not have wanted to have a bunch of videos of people dying, so I think I might have just saved the post on reddit... Other reddit posts with a link to the archive had been deleted, so I should have taken more care.


Someone posted a video below that includes some of the videos i saw a year ago. Some busybody must have flagged it, as the comment is marked as dead.


> Some busybody must have flagged it

It's a new acount which only posted this link - likely just some automated link spam detection. If you to to the comment's page (click the timestamp) there should be an option to vouch for it.



> Even if most mainlanders know that their state media is bogus, and that Xi is a dictator

I am an ethnic Chinese, I don't see this impression at all.

Disclaimer: this is quite normal, China is huge with 1.4b people, there are a lot of social bubbles. And the readers should read this comment and the parent of proving that. Not that this comment or the parent is true.


Well its turtles all the way isnt it, "And the readers should read this comment and the parent of proving that. Not that this comment or the parent is true.".

The same standard would apply to your comment.


Yes, of course, my comment and the parent are to show that there cannot be a simple truth about a nation with 1.4b people.

Realizing that, is the first step to reach any meaningful truth about China.

That's true even to native Chinese people. That's even more true to outsiders (obviously).


I'm curious with Wikipedia which is normally neutral but was very anti lab leak in this case, whether China directly had people work as editors there.


Citation Needed


That's the weird think about propaganda. Even if you know it's propaganda, it works pretty well when it's heavily pushed. I come from a former communist country, and most people despised the communist party and risked their lives in a revolution. After the revolution, they began to parrot the same talking points the heard in the decades before. Even with all the information we have today, the talking points induced by communist propaganda remain alive.


> blame Italy

I would like to remind everybody that this happened in Milano just before the outbreak

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8o_uXF9B4KI


LOL. A good portion of cyber security attacks are government military operations. You think China or Russia is sad that hackers closed down our gas pipelines?


So you don't normalize walking where you're not supposed to.


Why shouldn't being able to cross the street be normalized?


Fucking stupid. I used to live in a college town where no one obeyed traffic laws. I can't tell you how many car on car, car in bike, car on people accidents were caused by dumbasses walking into open traffic.


If bike and pedestrian traffic is that dense, they should lower speed limits and install speed bumps.


It's not the density, it's the predictability.

Predictably traffic is safe traffic. It doesn't matter whether you're talking about pedestrians, cars or bikes, the ability to accurately anticipate other parties moves is what makes for safety.

College campuses suck so bad for safety because you have people from tons of different regions with different etiquette and standards, in a new environment and nobody can predict what anybody else is about to do. Add in the drunks and it's amazing they're as safe as they are.


There are. Pedestrians don't care and will literately walk into open traffic. I've seen the same thing in every major city.


Were the drivers impaired? Why couldn't they see the people, or drive slowly and carefully enough to not kill?


The common problem seems to be the car


There's different levels of jaywalking. There's walking across the streets when there's no car and everyone is doing it. And then there's the crazies who walk across open traffic on a green light where there are cars speeding along causing accidents. A large percent of the homeless and drug addicts in cities are minorities.


> A large percent of the homeless and drug addicts in cities are minorities.

I'm sorry, but what exactly are we supposed to derive from this claim? That unprompted police frisking under the pretense of jaywalking is acceptable so long as the jaywalker is a member of a vulnerable class?


Thats not how networth works. No one has enough liquid capital to spend money like that. As soon as people found out Bezos was wasteful like that, his network would drop just based on stock price.


Maybe? That doesn’t counter my point. If anything it only enhances it. Estate taxes do not contribute to “riotous living” because cash on hand is not at all a limiting factor on how much they party. There are more important things, like the perception and how that affects them (like you pointed out).

“If I leave this hundred billion dollars to my kids, the government will take a portion. Better to spend it on hookers and blow instead!”

That makes about zero sense, so I don’t at all believe that’s the message the estate tax is sending or it would even matter if it was. The thing that keeps billionaires from partying isn’t the price tag.


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