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That interview of their CEO with the NYT from last year was insane. If you've never seen it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XpIXRgMlPo4

> interview of their CEO with the NYT

Do you have a source from the New York Times? (EDIT: Nvm.)

Second EDIT: the CEO reminds me of the energy vampire from What We Do in the Shadows.


It’s time for me to re-read MOMO by Michael Ende.

Maybe they edited their comment after you saw it, but they included a link to a video from the NYT YouTube channel.

That video is from the New York Times official account.

Oh whoops, didn't recognize the Hard Fork brand. My bad.

Most of the companies you've listed have been horrible at keeping kids safe - they simply don't care. I'm all for kids communicating and having fun, but we have to actually want to create safe ways to do both.

Crazy thing to say without other contextual information - it obviously depends on a number of factors. Do you have an apples to apples comparison at hand?


Look it up.


> Go away, green accounts. Everyone is pretty tired of your presence.

I get the frustration with the overload of new vibe-coded tools, but this particular attitude towards new people - can we not?


I have no issue with new users contributing to thoughtful conversations. People spamming vibe-coded apps are not that. Firm pushback is appropriate, just as with OSS projects rejecting AI submissions.


> It's just sad that whether you are a user or a developer, Apple Fanbois would rather (ignorantly) place Apple's interest over their own consumer rights.

You think notarizing an app is "placing Apple's interest over" our own?


Yes, how notarisation works currently on the Apple platforms is designed more for Apple's benefits than an Apple developer's or user's interest. When notarization can only be done through Apple, they have undue control - for e.g. they can ban any app that you create on their platform. Bad for malwares for sure, but not good when some government or Apple decides they don't like your app. Remember that all App Stores apps are ultimately signed by Apple, not by the developer who creates it (the developer signs and uploads the app, and Apple replaces the signature with its own). Self-signing an app also require you to get a "free" developer certificate through Apple by first signing up to their developer program and agreeing to all their overbearing terms (which they use to force themselves as a middle-man, to exploit both their developers and users). A self-signed notarized apps generates two sets of hashes - one which is stored in the app and one in Apple databases for "verification".

Thus, notarization also acts as a way for Apple to spy on its user and determine what apps they run - both when you install from the App Store or when you install it from outside the App Store. The way the whole process works, open source softwares (which are popular and compete with Apple's own app and other paid apps but often cannot bear the unnecessary burden of jumping through Apple's hoops) are also tarnished with all the popups about security threats, thus discouraging their use amongst non-technical users. This is great for Apple ofcourse because they can't make money of free open source developers (unless of course, they use their code to make their own applications, which they have no qualms about).

Imagine this too - How would you like it if Apple allowed you to view websites in Safari (or other macOS browsers) only if they had an SSL certificate from Apple?

So it is a disingenuous argument that people here are being "stupid" for complaining about Notarization. It's Apple forcing itself as the middle-man here and then exploiting its developers and users that's the issue.


Indeed. And adding on to this, in a slightly different realm, Donald Knuth's conjecture that he solved with Claude: https://www-cs-faculty.stanford.edu/%7Eknuth/papers/claude-c...


counter-intuitively, the fact that docker on the mac requires a linux-based VM makes it safer than it otherwise would be. But your point stands in general, of course.


and you say this based on?


The way everyone else can tell. My instincts. AI has a flavor.


Not gp, but because the way hackernews would render in a web browser versus curl is dramatically different, of course. There's a clear separation of presentation and content, and curl shows you presentation.

Notes being plain text files means that what you get by showing via a CLI is essentially the same as just `cat whatever-it-is.md`. Viewing a note via the CLI interface could have its merits (it could apply its own flavor of presentation), but come on now. Your example doesn't hold.


So you see no value in the learning that comes with the tinkering?


I love how every chain in this thread starts off defending the practical utility of all this but ends with defending "learning" and "hobbies" when someone points out that you don't need to spend $2000 and 100 hours to know when a washing machine cycle ends.


Its disingenuous to claim that OP spent that much time and money to know when the washing cycle was complete. That's one of several different things the screen can do in addition to everything else it can display.


It's amazing how enticing dominos of chiming in with snark can feel.

It's also possible that the sentence struck a nerve because it's a pretty simple lens and test.

All the scrolling is free labour for tech/social media companies. Other folks seem to use it more as a platform to create, publish or be more mindful of their interactions compared to passive consumption and reaction.

Family schedules can be a unique and valuable problem to solve, namely how much more valuable time becomes, as well as how much a little bit of optimizing can give back.


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