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I don't agree that they are falling behind. Using both chat and cli I get what I need and it's comparable to "sota" when I compare.

Interesting development, it's impressively fast. How will this affect OpenAI and Anthropic when this hit the market?

The market for these kind of apps in Europe is very divided (just in the Nordics you have Swish, MobilePay and Vipps) but the dent in MC/Visas dominance is significant today. In 2 years, Klarna, Swish and Vipps will be more common both in e-commerce and POS that MC/Visa.

Do we need a pan-EU standard? I'm actually not so sure, but yes it would be nice when traveling.


It's very funny to me that all of our municipal EU customers requires that we host in EU. But they all run Microsoft online email, Entra and so on themselves.


Have you tried to migrate out of Gmail / outlook?

They literally reject your emails. There is also nothing you can do if ms/google black lists you.

The only real solution for EU is to ban the operations of Google and Microsoft. China style. So that their ecosystem can breath again.


I haven't tried to leave Gmail, but I've run email servers for 15 years and have never had trouble sending email to Gmail (get plenty of spam from them though). I often read people saying Gmail rejects mail, but I suspect such people are running mail servers on cheap VPS providers, who have bad IP reputation.


Is there a public list of these IPs? Any legal way an EU citizen can dispute it?

No, just wishes, more sketchy data brokers who claim they have the blacklists and prayers to the US monopolies.

And the question becomes why in 2026 should the EU bow to the wishes of US monopolies?

Anyone can build an email service. Anyone can build a “cloud”. Anyone can build a spreadsheet.

Good riddance.


IP reputation lists predate Gmail by many years (eg spamhaus). I know Gmail used to use them, and may still. It would obviously make sense to keep their own stats as well.


I've successfully exited Google Workspace for email, calendar and contacts about two years ago. Went with Fastmail. It's been rock solid.

Unfortunately, Drive and Voice are keeping me subscribed to their service despite me wanting VERY BADLY to exit it. Neither have good alternatives that check all the boxes.


Not sure about voice, but for Drive shouldn’t it be straightforward with any thin client on top of a eu object storage?

https://european-alternatives.eu/category/object-storage-pro...

There are apps that can map them as a drive directly for your pc/mac/linux


> They literally reject your emails. There is also nothing you can do if ms/google black lists you.

There are so many ESPs that do not get rejected. Neither is it true that there isn't anything you can do if you end up on a blacklist.

That's not to say that it's trivial, but it's certainly doable.


Yes I did and it is no problem at all.


>But they all run Microsoft online email, Entra and so on themselves.

On their iPhones with Apple IDs.


Yes but the discussion is about data stored on the cloud, not the devices people use.


It should be both if sovereignty isn't just a buzzword.


Sure but let's start with not having all citizens' sensitive data that EU state orgs store in american cloud, and then we can talk about creating an EU based alternative to google/apple in mobile.


iCloud is a thing. Your Apple device syncs many things on the cloud.


I really hope that people in state orgs do not store citizens' sensitive data on their phones.


Not a lot of European alternatives. Jolla is the only one that comes to mind.


Moving email to private and physicaly owned server should always be the first step.


I would say that both US and China are using the data we trust upon them for industrial espionage. So don't use their models if you are working defence or other sensitive areas


This is spot on. The US under MAGA are actively dismantling their once leading position in IT as well as defence. I guess it is hard to see as a US citizen but from outside this is clear as glass.


Europe is not falling behind on anything that is not reasonable.

The increased growth in USA the last decade have largely been created by means that one day will be quite costly for you (debt).

The USA under MAGA is falling apart. EU and others are actively minimizing risk by selecting non-US IT providers. EU and others are actively selecting non-US defence aystems.

I say that it is very positive to protect your citizens. Russia (sending their citizens en masse to a certain death on the front lines) and USA have more in common politically than USA and EU.


I agree with everything you said, it's great that they're trying to detach from US IT providers & alternative, and I do think Europe is doing a lot things better than the US.

But there's nothing like AWS, Google Cloud, facebook, Azure, ChatGPT, Tesla, etc etc the list goes on and is very long, in Europe. They're switching way too late. Why did it not happen before? Why do we have very limited IT providers, for example? Due to the culture and regulation that doesn't incentivize it sufficiently.

I'm European too btw and live in the EU and I'm happy about a lot of things we have that the US doesn't, I'm just personally worried that we're setting priorities wrong. Having a chill life in the park is good in the ideal it's just detached from what's needed to make a state run; and it will end in the EU having even less power that is has now, resulting in fewer moral values being carried into the world.


Why don't you research this and report back your findings. Learning is a cool experience, compared to prejudice.


Just for others, it seems this was already an article so it came up quickly, but for fines, not taxes.

"In 2024, the total income tax paid by all publicly listed European internet companies combined was approximately €3.2 billion. This total, which includes firms like SAP, Adyen, Spotify, and Zalando, was notably lower than the €3.8 billion in fines the EU collected from US tech giants in the same year"


Good lock with that denial it's surely must be due to anything but the super obvious thing that science is warning us about and all data points to.


Can you please provide sources for your claims.


Which one? There’s no proof that any of Israel’s claims were ever true. It’s on them to provide proof, which they of course have not. If you want to see Tel Aviv or US bases getting hit, go search Twitter. There are thousands of videos. While you’re their look at the tens of thousands of videos of the IDF committing war crimes.


How many protestors were killed?


None? They killed a bunch of Zionist infiltrators but certainly not 50,000 in a few days, producing zero proof.


Thousands of Zionist infiltrators perhaps?


Perhaps, thankfully they were defeated and Iran won the war.


Do you believe people in Iran have any reason to protest their regime or are all protesters zionist?


All the “protesters” are Zionist. They’re attacking my ally in the fight against Zionism. The “protesters” have not offered me an alternative to the Iranian government. What is their plan to end Zionism?



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