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My observation is that perfectly nice people turn into sociopaths when biking on public roads. They instantly become resentful of all other road users, especially pedestrians or drivers who they slow down. You can watch the transformation in real time.


I have never seen this from cyclists towards pedestrians. I've seen resentment towards drivers almost hitting them...

This feels like a very driver's view of cyclists, and not a cyclists view.

But ultimately, I think cyclists are just people.


There are more drivers like that.


How much damage can a sociopath do with a 7kg bike with no airbags?


1) 7kg is on the featherweight end of the bike scale - that is not representative of most bikes on the road

2) A fair bit when you include the 80kg rider going at 24kph into an unaware pedestrian.


Are we actually going to compare the momentum of a bike in a vacuum? I will give you 20kg for a bike even, because the weight of the bike is so negligible.

100kg * 24km/h = 2400 kgkm/h

vs a car

If we cross-reference this with a list of pedestrian fatalities based on speed [1] Assuming a standard car size of 1000kg.

1000kg * 25kph = 25000 kgkm/h == 10% Risk of severe Injury

1000kg * 37kph = 37000 kgkm/h == 10% Fatality

1000kg * 51kph = 52000 kgkm/h == 25% Fatality

1000kg * 67kph = 67000 kgkm/h == 50% Fatality

1000kg * 80kph = 80000 kgkm/h == 75% Fatality

1000kg * 93kph = 93000 kgkm/h == 90% Fatality

I'm not saying this doesn't happen, but you're looking at momentums that are an order of magnitude smaller than momentums where people are at severe risk of injury with a car. I will choose to get hit by the bicycle every day of the week.

[1] https://aaafoundation.org/impact-speed-pedestrians-risk-seve....

2016-2020 Data: https://www.moneygeek.com/insurance/auto/analysis/pedestrian...


Single-handedly keeping the dream of space travel alive and doing more for electrification of vehicles than anyone else alive…

What a villain


The me too movement showed us clearly: you do not separate the artist from the art. Elons bad behavior is his legacy now.


What if someone like MLK Jr had skeletons in his closet that we discovered? Should we discard his legacy so we don’t “separate the artist from the art”?


He does - womanizing - and scholars are discussing that in context:

https://theconversation.com/im-an-mlk-scholar-and-ill-never-...

Here’s a key difference: being a lousy husband (I include sidelining his wife for sexist reasons) tarnished his reputation but it doesn’t directly undercut the civil rights movement’s primary success. It does call into question the movement calling for equal rights on race but being marginal on gender, and quite a lot has been written about that.

In contrast, most of the damage Musk has done to his reputation has been undercutting the things he’s supposedly good at by demonstrating that he isn’t. His sexual harassment or family feuds are salacious but they didn’t spoil his companies’ reputation the way things like Tesla autopilot or basically everything at Twitter had done.


Twitter was far worse of a dumpster fire before Musk got a hold of it. Read the Twitter files. Just because Twitter doesn't tilt hard left anymore doesn't make Musk a villain, just a villain to you. There's a big difference.


> Twitter was far worse of a dumpster fire before Musk got a hold of it. Read the Twitter files.

I did, which is how I know you didn’t. There really wasn’t much there - even Taibbi eventually admitted that – and it requires some real dishonesty to come up with a “hard left” label.


The government coerced Twitter to delete posts. That's not nothing.

5th circuit court of appeals just had a ruling that this indeed violated the first amendment.

https://www.ca5.uscourts.gov/opinions/pub/23/23-30445-CV0.pd...

You'd think this would be much more prominent in the news.


> The government coerced Twitter to delete posts. That's not nothing.

I note that you aren’t citing examples for a reason. That’s because we both know that’s not accurate way to describe some federal government officials or campaign staff alerting Twitter to posts which clearly violated their terms of service, especially when there are other examples shown where Twitter said no without consequences.

> 5th circuit court of appeals just had a ruling that this violated the first amendment

No, they didn’t. What they did was remove 9 of the 10 injunctions a Trump appointee issued earlier this year:

https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.lawd.18...

The one point they did allow was substantially trimmed back, too: “So, the injunction's language must be further tailored to exclusively target illegal conduct and provide the officials with additional guidance or instruction on what behavior is prohibited.”

I think it’s important to remember that this is one of the most conservative circuit courts in the country with a history of activist rulings, and this case is an election year move by some prominent Republicans to help their party’s presidential candidate, who appointed one of the judges. The fact that even that court trimmed things down so dramatically doesn’t suggest it’s anywhere near as strong as the conservative commenters whose analysis you’re repeating would like.


I linked a primary source, you should read it.


I did, on Friday. Feel free to support any of the claims you made with specific citations.


>The government coerced Twitter to delete posts. That's not nothing.

>5th circuit court of appeals just had a ruling that this indeed violated the first amendment.

"A group of social-media users and two states allege that numerous federal officials coerced social-media platforms into censoring certain social- media content, in violation of the First Amendment. We agree, but only as to some of those officials."

That's on the first page for reference.

Edit: Site says I'm posting too fast, but the provision 6 is a very important provision (pp 69) and the remaining defendants are quite a long list. It seems the plaintiffs named everybody they could think of and the judge whittled it down to the ones that are actually violating provision 6 (pp 72-73) and are still under injunction. If that is correct, this is certainly not a "nothing burger" as many in the media are reporting and the government was actively violating the first amendment. Defendants who violated provision 6 and are still under injunction include members of the White House, the FBI, the CDC, the Surgeon General, and others.


Keep reading and you’ll read what I was summarizing - section VII on page 74 has the gist.


I am no longer able to use the site because of his changes. 10 years of following links from articles or friends and then scrolling threads. I guess it cost more than the ad revanue my click would’ve generated but I can no longer visit the site to generate any more revenue now. So objectively twitter is worse under Musk’s stewardship as the site no longer works at all for me.


Mlk Jr does have skeletons in his closet


Did you even think about this comparison before you typed it?

Musk's pre-Twitter and unexagerated legacy is luxury cars and some vague stuff about space.

MLK Jr is a human rights icon who was assassinated.

Musk is still eligible for his legacy holding a science victory. For example if he can get something more substantial to happen on the moon/mars or kick start asteroid mining.

Right now his legacy is proving billionaires aren't geniuses and that meritocracy is a lie.


Yes


How about Bill Cosby?


Is this a serious question? Bill Cosby is dead to America.


Same with Thomas Edison who only recently is being portrayed as the villain he was.


Ehhh Edison was considered quite a huckster for a while. The "invented the lightbulb" trope is worse than "founded Tesla."


>you do not separate the artist from the art

I do. I think a lot of people just like bitching and Elon is the current hotness. Bitchin' for clicks. I wonder if these people analyze their own mistakes as critically as they do others'. I'd be surprised if that was so.

>Elons bad behavior is his legacy now.

Yea, that won't age well 10-20 years from now, look at Steve Jobs' legacy. He was a huge dick at times, but people still buy Apple stuff like crazy. Who remembers the names of his critics? I sure don't.

Also, what adult uses terms like "superhero," and "supervillain" to describe a real person in professional journalistic writing? Too many movies. They should take their job more seriously. It's as if they can't think outside binary good/evil like a toddler. There's some criticism from me. They can take it as seriously as I take their's.

PS: Notice me too got ignored by the press as soon as Biden got accused? It died faster than Disco. Funny that. Unfortunate, but such is politics.


This is more of a situation of "in spite of"


You talk like he started Tesla...


Tesla scaled from a small number of bespoke kit car demo vehicles to a legitimate mass market car manufacturer under musk leadership.


Under his money, sure.

Seeing Twitter, euh, x under his active leadership makes me doubt his skills a bit more.


Space travel and cars are not objectively good, there's arguments to be made against keeping those things alive.


Call me narrow minded, but if Humanity has a goal i can't imagine that it would be anything else than exploring space.


What we will find when we explore Mars is that we are Earth creatures. There are good reasons to doubt humans will ever travel to outer planets, nevermind to neighboring stars. Post-humans, maybe. Not us.

Having a decent life for all humans and minimizing the damage we do to the only habitat that supports human life is a vastly more important goal than crossing a void to reach an inhospitable rock.

We will gain knowledge and technologies in pursuit of space exploration. There are benefits. But humanity has higher goals.


Avoiding the great filter in two fundamental ways is morally wrong.

- the internet


objectively good according to whose system of morals?

Edit: my point in arguing this is that hn’s audience would worship anyone who has done a tenth of what Musk has - but the slightest bit of political nonconformity makes him a “supervillain”


Elon hasn’t invented anything novel. He aims Federal government contract money at actual engineers.

Give be $5 billion, I’ll hire smart people with it, and binge Elden Ring.


Then why did they buy it?


Because government is very efficient with all the funds.


*we


In what way do we have a “population crisis”?


GHG = population * GHG/person

As Bill Gates said, "to get zero GHG's one of those has to go to zero".


But even Bill Gates is now saying that it’s just like a cold and only risky for the very elderly. And the virus did leak from a lab? Two of the three points you’re trying to straw-man are rooted in obvious fact.


Exceptional…

Watchmen…

Lol


Watchmen was amazing, so I don't understand the issue. Each individual episode was carefully, and cleverly, crafted. We were watching several other popular shows at the same time, and the contrast was really apparent, with Watchmen in a completely different league.


The series, not the movie. The series is excellent. On paper, should have been bad. Is instead very, very good.


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