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This is usually the part of the conversation where someone mentions slave labour in an emerald mine and immigration fraud and then comes the part where you usually say something along the lines like "hasn't been proven in court!"

Musk started with a $20,000 loan from his family. You could buy a used car for $20,000, no emerald mine and slaves required.

Musk parlayed the loan into $trillions.


It would have been so cool if you didn't derail this conversation about 'Confronting America’s gerontocratic crisis' with your Elon Musk fanboy-ism.

So cool.


I am indeed an unapologetic Musk fanboy. For good reason.

A lot of people put their life on hold for the unhealthy and the elderly during a global pandemic that occurred a few years ago.

While many of the people who did so profited handsomely many did not.

There hasn't really been any recognition of this or any sort of plan to provide restitution for this sacrifice.

That isn't ageism. That's reality.


Here’s a better proposal: add none of the above to every ballot. If a super majority (say 80%) pick that the election is an automatic do-over and the people on the ballot can’t run for a period of say five years.

A couple cycles of this will flush the crap out of the system.


Ranked choice voting allows for instant run off elections. Should have a similar effect without requiring a full redo of the election.

"No Confidence" vote option exists in some countries.

So right off the bat I'd like to say that jacquesm's one word comment is pretty blah and in my books that along is sufficient reason to flag but I didn't this time.

With that said HN is an international community, and it is important to respect the perspectives of people from around the world.

Is it inappropriate for people to call for the kidnapping and arrest of Maduro from Venezuala? Doesn't appear to be from recent conversations here.

Is it inappropriate for people to call for the overthrow of the Iranian government and the assassination of the Ayatollah? Doesn't appear to be from recent conversations here.

Is it inappropriate for people in Canada or Greenland to discuss the prospect of American civil war and how it could potentially benefit them personally by minimizing the threat of American aggression that results in the invasion and annexation of their countries? Certainly appears to me from your response and previous conversations on here.

As a non American it's conspicuous and frustrating to see how this discussion around what is and isn't acceptable speech about violence often lines up with whatever the current foreign policy of the American government happens to be. And that isn't to say that this site and others censor discussions that are critical of these policies, just that they seem to clamp down on discussions about violence when it's about domestic American violence even when it's being discussed by non-Americans like jacquesm?

Why is that? Why is it okay Americans to call for the assassination of the Ayatollah but people from outside of America can't talk about the prospect of civil war and political assassinations in America?

I'm a Canadian. The leader of your country has made many comments about annexing my country. It is quite likely that right-wing American interests are funding a separatist movement in my province. I consider this an overt threat to the well being of everyone in my community and my personal well being.[0][1]

While America is nominally a democracy I don't hold the American people responsible for this threat. Instead I hold the American oligarchs and the skilled professionals who enable the creation of their authoritarian machinations (Including the employees of Oracle and IBM as you helpfully pointed out in a recent comment) responsible for this bullshit that now threatens me.

So from that perspective why isn't it acceptable to acknowledge the necessity for the arrest of American oligarchs like Elon Musk, Sam Altman, and Larry Ellison? Why isn't it acceptable to call for the smuggling of weapons into America to facilitate revolutionary activities akin to what people were calling for the CIA to do in Iran?

Ideally I don't want anyone to come to harm. But I have to be real about this, the more fractured America is the better off I am in the short term. Our incentives have become misaligned through no fault of my own. So something has to give.

If you were in my shoes you'd feel the same way.

[0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43485649#43487443

[1] https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/russia-and-u-s-amplif...


I hate to break it to you but like 60%+ of the time when someone is calling you claiming that they're from Telus/Rogers/Bell they actually aren't.

Personally I'm very suspicious of any company calling. These are businesses that have actively avoided any form of human to human contact in the past two decades, why would they suddenly want to call me?

Because the 'perhaps' there is a load-bearing word that is doing a lot of work and it's going to be come crashing down sooner or later.

Of course some kids are going to be charged for this kind of shit, it's still a rules for thee but not for me world, the 'not for me' folks are just a hell of a lot more brazen about it.


It appears that they registered as a party to get access to the data and them disseminated it publicly through a vibecoded app.

While this data may generally be public in the US, it usually isn't in Canada, and there's an expectation that parties don't publish the data and it is seeded to detect that.

A bigger problem is that people in Canada sign up for this list with the expectation that this data will remain reasonably private so now with this leak you have people who were willing to share their personal information to participate in the democratic process now afraid that their domestic abusers will be able to find them.[0] That really sucks.

There's also the awkward aspect of this in that the Alberta separatists are seemingly backed by American interests.

[0] https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/edmonton-city-counci...


> and it is seeded to detect that.

Do you mean that there are "paper town"-like entries in the dataset to make it obvious when one has leaked?


Yes, Elections Alberta provided the list to the Republican Party of Alberta. Whenever they do this, they salt the list with fake names so that if it gets leaked, they can then determine which copy was leaked. That's how we know this republican group provided it to this "Centurion Group"

I mean, it's not really optional for Canadians _not_ to sign up for the list. It's the official list of electors. If you're a citizen, you're going to end up on the voter list one way or another.

It actually is optional. You should always be able to opt out of registering for it, and if you are registered and don't want to be, there's an official form that you can fill out to get removed. See my other comment [0] for a few more details.

[0]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48015977


I was under the impression that this was the optional list that you sign up for with the CRA when you file your taxes, is that not the case?

The data sharing between the CRA and Elections Canada is optional, but if you want to vote, you've got to be registered - whether via the CRA or otherwise.

> but if you want to vote, you've got to be registered - whether via the CRA or otherwise

Technically true, but you can register at the polling booth on the day of the election, and there's a checkbox that lets you opt out of saving your data in the database. [0]

[0]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48015977


Being on the electors list is optional, is something you can opt-in to (and opt-out of), and is not required in order to vote in Alberta.

There are many reasons an individual may choose to not be on the list (eg. domestic abuse situations).


From what I've seen it appears that it was intentional in that their motivation was to give their canvassers for the separatism petition access to the data so that they could pad their numbers for the petition.[0]

They didn't mean for this to blow up in the public like this though. That part wasn't intentional. That part appears to be absolute incompetence or they just got sloppy after being treated with kid gloves by law enforcement for the past few years.

[0] https://imgur.com/a/JDltJg7


My first job was pumping gas at regular neighbour gas station and one day a semi rolled in because he was low on gas. He insisted that we use both diesel pumps on the pump so that it would take faster and it still took forever. I can't remember if he filled both side of his truck but if he did that would have required him to go around the island to get the other side tank.

I've only been to a cardlock station a few times but the pumps seem like regular pumps.

I just looked it up and apparently regular gas station pumps in Canada are limited to 38 L/min (10 US gal/min) but some cardlock stations can have larger pumps with a higher rate on them.

If a semi truck has two saddle tanks that's 200-300 gallons, but some trucks can apparently carry more? I'm not an expert on this, But I can reach out to a friend who owns a crane and trucking company if someone else doesn't chime in with a more detailed response.

So at 200-300 gallons and 10 gallons per minute it can take 20-30 minutes to fill a truck.


Truck stop pumps can do 30 GPM "on both sides" as they have two pumps connected to one bay.

There are faster (600 GPM or more) but those are specialized for loading boats, etc; the air can't escape the tank fast enough to use those on a truck.


stats vary. seems ~250 is common (2x 125 gals) and long haul ranges up to 2,000 miles.

Though another way to think of filling up is miles per minute. At 10Gal/Min and 7MPG that's pumping 70 miles a minute into the tank.

an 80% charge in 30 minutes on a 500 mile range battery is ~13 Miles a minute so roughly 5x slower


60% charge in 30 minutes (20-80%) so 10 miles/minute and 7x slower.

I don't know about exact rates, but diesel pumps in banks intended for semis have a larger diameter nozzle that flows faster than the normal sized ones, yeah. They won't fit diesel cars/vans/light trucks.

Some Chinese EVs have charge ports on both sides and can be charged faster by using both at the same time.

Not quite as elegant as the new flash chargers that rival the Tesla truck chargers with megawatt speeds but interesting.


I'm not American and I've never flown Spirit Air so can someone explain where all the loyalty to this airline is coming from? Like isn't this another big corp biting the dust?

I could fly from the middle of the USA to Orlando round trip for $90 if I just packed a backpack. Unbeatable value, that’s cheap enough for a spur of the moment weekend trip for the whole family.

Only on a nonstop. Spirit dumps passengers all the time on vonnections.

Not a fan of spirit. I used to kind of like Frontier, but they ended that.

I was doing a two hour flight monthly for business, 2 hours each way. Frontier was about half the cost of more premium airlines. The times were good and predictable. I never checked anything and maybe rarely I’d buy a snack. Now I won’t claim that it was “comfortable” but it was predictable, inexpensive and kind of efficient all of which sort of creates a ‘comfort.’ It was a flying bus and it was ok at that.

Somewhere, I think when there became competition for the ultra discount airlines, the staff culture changed and it seemed not uncommon to encounter an employee that resented the customers. Spirit had multiple reported incidents of crew filming customers and just being generally antagonistic. Basically they hire service people that generally don’t have to provide much service and it becomes ”extra work” when they do;worse they often see a price tag associated with the “extra work” and it’s not reflected in their compensation


I am American and it baffles me as well. Spirit was one of the worst possible choices for flying, where every little thing was an upcharge. Why people willingly submitted to that insanity I will never understand.

They often had the cheapest fares. That's basically the reason for all the shitty upcharges in the airline industry. Many folks don't care enough about that kind of thing to pay more for a flight on a different airline.

They had affordable flights between places like LA and Vegas / Florida and Cancún so it became almost like a bus route for some people.

It had good departure times both mornings and evenings.

And it was cheap, so you could book a next day flight without paying multiples in premium.

It was fun and affordable to fly out of state in the morning, spend a day exploring another place and get back at night.


For clarity, absolutely nobody did or does this. Spirit is bottom of the barrel cheap - it made flying accessible for many people, who otherwise would not fly (think Ryan air). Absolutely nobody was interstate day tripping, especially on spirt, besides this poster.

I'm not sure why you're downvoted. You're definitely right that it's extremely rare behavior.

This is based on access to their passenger records and having done data science analysis on it, or just vibes?


Not sure, maybe people like the underdog or just like the business model, you pay for what you get. I flew them a couple times and it wasn't great.

It and Frontier were the only affordable airlines.

No, it’s a small corp biting the dust.

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